And still, everyone blames Aysia for telling the truth, but not Jonica?! Are you serious? Jonica blatantly lied to her girlfriend multiple times, and it caught up to her, yet Aysia is the one that’s apparently at fault because she’s “messy” and is supposed to know her role as the “side bitch.”
If anything, this shows that lesbian relationships can be just as misogynistic as a straight relationship. Sooo stupid!
And thank god, just as I was about to post this, Alex showed that she’s the only one with any brains and sees how stupid this is.
And now that Hip-Hop has become as Global Genre, everyone’s saying things like “it’s global phenomenon, a genre without boundaries”, ok, but who determined this? So now we have a wide array of non-black people appropriating AAVE and Black Culture to cash in, but openly disrespect Black Americans in the process (Iggy Azalea, most of K-Pop). And on top of that, most of the time when these appropriators are called out, they act as if they’re the one’s who’ve been wronged.
The main reason why I call it appropriating is because the entire model for what others use as hip hop is based off of AAVE and other Black American cultural aesthetics.
If many of these international artists were rapping in their natural voices as opposed to mimicking Aave, or if it was more common to see distinct cultural differences in hop hop based on the individual cultural identities of these international artists (besides language), I’d be more inclined to agree with the idea that it isn’t appropriation. Unfortunately I just haven’t seen much evidence that can make that argument. It is if course completely possible that I’m missing other elements of course.
Hop hop is an incredibly huge genre that has a TON of different subgenres, but you never see much of an international presence approaching these subgenres, it’s pretty much just attempts at gangsta rap and nothing else. I think if the international interest in hip hop was more legitimate, you’d see more of an individual take on it, and much more honesty in regards to where it came from and why the genre was born.
I think it could be a difference in what we listen to in terms of international hip hop artists! I’m thinking specifically Korean hip hop b/c that’s what I listen to most, but the people I listen to (in my view anyway) don’t try to mimic AAVE or gangsta rap, but have really nestled in the trip hop genre that has Nujabes as a forerunner. So in a sense, that’s the “asian-style rap/ hip hop” that has come out (though there are also many subgenres and appropriators too). I think that’s where my perspective was coming from & listening to people like Dumbfoundead and Kero One (well known asian-american rappers), who are also pretty conscious about using hip hop to speak about asian identity.
I really appreciate this conversation though, gives me a lot to think about
^^ I agree with dumbfounded and kero one and some other non black rappers. The problem is there aren’t many like them(or that we know of). A huge chunk of non black rappers are appropriators of black culture and I think that’s the point of the discussion. So many are just copying black people, while black people are disrespected for being black. Very few are using their own identity and culture mixed with hip hop style to tell their stories. That’s what the problem is. It’s highly annoying to me personally because black Americans can never have anything to ourselves. Never.
- you must not be hungry thenAfrican American Proverb said when you don’t want whats been cooked (via blackproverbs)
Black kpop fans: Wow, kpop idols really love a lot of things black people created. I hope they also try learning about black culture and stop using hurtful stereotypes.
Non-black kpop fans: Oh my god, why are you complaining? They haven’t even done anything racist.
Black kpop fans: Maybe not yet, I just want them to see us as human beings and not only as musical/style influences.
Non-black kpop fans: Well, don’t expect that because in Korea, they aren’t taught about black people. You don’t need to teach them, if they did nothing wrong.
Kpop idol: *does something racist.*
Black kpop fans: I’m so hurt, this is why I wish they would educate themselves on black racism and black culture, so they didn’t do racist things, so I didn’t hurt and they were better people.
Non-black kpop fans: Korea and kpop don’t know any better, you can’t blame them for it.
Black kpop fans: But when we tried to teach them, you got mad at us, and now that they’ve done something racist, like we knew what was gonna happen, you’re still mad at us?
Non-black kpop fans: Just stop being so offended and stop trying to teach them. Their racism was a mistake, obviously. They didn’t know any better, they didn’t mean it, so you can’t be mad at them.
Black kpop fans: What the fuck? I can feel whatever I want to feel. I can be mad at people for disrespecting my race, culture, skin color, etc.
Non-black kpop fans: That’s just how Korea and kpop is, ugh! Black kpop fans are always so angry. Go away. You make everything a big deal.
(Basically, what I’ve noticed is, when black kpop fans try to get idols interested in black culture, other fans push them to the side but then when those idols do racist things, the same fans say they “didn’t know any better.” How would they, when every time we try to teach them beforehand, you tell us to shut up?)
Young Black Kid: “I don’t want to go to college”
Parents: “Well what do you want to do?”
Young Black Kid: “I want to travel and explore the world”
Parents: ”With what money?!”
“Do you got ‘travel and explore the world’ money?”
It hurts so much because it’s true
It’s so true…